EP 3 | Learn the Art of Makeup on Healthy Skin

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Welcome to Listen to your Skin by Moon and Skin, the podcast where science meets nature to celebrate the story of your skin.

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Your skin is a living canvas, ever evolving, deeply personal and uniquely yours.

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Each week, we'll dive into the science of healthy skin, share empowering stories and uncover transformative self-care rituals.

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We're here to help you embrace every phase of your journey with confidence and care.

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Hi everyone, Welcome to this week's episode of Listen to your Skin by Moon and Skin confidence and care.

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Hi everyone, welcome to this week's episode of Listen to your Skin by Moon and Skin, and I'm your host, Dr Jen Haley.

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This week, I have the pleasure of welcoming Giselle Jamoa to the show.

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Hi Giselle.

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Hi, Giselle's a licensed esthetician and a professional makeup artist with over a decade of experience in the beauty industry.

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Beginning in her career as a makeup artist in 2013, she developed a passion for enhancing natural beauty and helping clients feel confident in their skin, and, more recently, Giselle expanded her expertise by becoming a licensed esthetician specializing in customized skincare treatments.

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With a commitment to continuous learning, Giselle stays up to date on the latest techniques and innovations to provide her clients with the best possible care.

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Her goal is to create a relaxing, results-driven experience that empowers each individual to look and feel their best and it shows Thanks for being here, Giselle.

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Of course.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yeah, so that's a neat combination.

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I've talked before to makeup artists and I've talked to many estheticians, and I love that you've meshed the two of them together, in particular because with your work as an esthetician, you're we know this is a process of transforming somebody's skin.

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It takes time for someone to improve their skin texture, their tone, help with some brown spots, some other blemish issues, and in the meantime, you can help them with makeup application.

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And, like on that note, can you dive a little bit deeper on the importance of skincare and how it relates to makeup applications, something I know very little about?

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Yes, of course.

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So I am a big believer in your makeup only looks as good as how you take care of your skin.

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A lot of times I will have a client in my chair and I'm so excited to do their glam and the great thing about that is that I could help them figure out ways so that their next appointment, when they come in for that, they are either exfoliated a little bit better or they can like dermaplane beforehand, or we can schedule them a consultation so we can do a skin analysis to see what they really need, so that in the future when they are coming in for their makeup appointments, they're not worried about either fine lines or wrinkles or blemishes, maybe a little bit of hyperpigmentation or their rosacea.

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So all of these really intertwine really tremendously when you're doing your makeup.

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So I think it's really important that you know clients understand that makeup is only going to sit on top of the skin, but what's happening underneath is actually more important.

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Okay, that's great.

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So there's so many procedures you just mentioned which I want to dive a little bit deeper into.

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As far as skin care itself, what are the do's and don'ts of what people should or shouldn't apply to make their makeup more effective?

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Great question.

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I love when people ask me this because it's so important to prep your skin before you come in and get your makeup done.

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So I always like to say that if you are going to get a facial before you have a big event, that you should be getting your facial at least a week before anywhere from seven to 10 days before your event, just so your skin is a little bit more fresh.

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And if you do purge which I don't know if I'm going to tell the audience here purging is when you break out a little bit after a facial.

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It's really normal.

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It's just because your skin is more exposed and a little bit more sensitive.

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So you want time for your skin to heal before you come in for your makeup appointment.

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But the biggest thing that I always tell my clients is really just to make sure that your skin is exfoliated and moisturized and protected before you come into your appointment.

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So exfoliator, whether it's physical or chemical and then moisturizing your skin as well as protecting it with a good SPF.

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That's not going to make your makeup pill.

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Okay, that's great, that's really great and that's consistent with the advice I've heard before from previous makeup artists, and I love consistency because you know there's truth in it when you have people that are experienced, with decades of experience, like yourself, saying the same thing again and again.

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I want to go back to purging, because there's a lot of people that will use that word and I don't know if they quite understand what's going on.

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So, the way that I look at it as a dermatologist, I always want to understand, like what's the mechanism of action?

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What's going on beneath the surface?

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What's going on beneath the surface?

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And when you look at like someone's skin who's in their 20s or 30s, it takes about six weeks to get from the bottom layer to the top layer of the skin, whereas someone like me in their 50s, it might take more, like eight to 12 weeks.

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Our stem cells get a little lazy and things don't turn over as quickly, and most people that have blemishes, they normally will take about six to eight weeks to go from the bottom layer to the top layer.

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So what I feel is going on with this purging is that when you see an esthetician an esthetician that is medical, that's results-driven they're doing maybe more aggressive treatments that are helping those deep pimples that were six to eight weeks old kind of surface and come to a head a little bit quicker, those deep pimples that were six to eight weeks old kind of surface and come to a head a little bit quicker.

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And that's what we call purge, with the hopes that the next cycle of skin is clear.

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Is that how you see it?

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That's exactly how I see it, I do believe.

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When people eat a little piece of chocolate and then they wake up the next morning and they're like, oh my God, I broke out because I ate chocolate.

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No, you had that brewing and cooking underneath your skin for some time.

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But maybe what happened when you had a little bit more sugar is that it helped pro not prolong, I guess, but it helped activate that blemish to come up from underneath the skin.

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So I totally agree with that statement.

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Right, yeah, so what you're doing in the office is you're helping all of that to surface more quickly, and it's important that people do the right things at home to make the next layer of skin clear.

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So, to your point, it's not really a chocolate, everyone, if you're listening, it's the sugar.

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So a dark chocolate or a cacao, not so much, but we now know that sugar and dairy, exactly yes, should look for depending on what their needs are of their skin, because I think that word facial is thrown around a lot and it can mean very different things yeah, I agree.

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I think that it's skincare is not a one-size-fits-all by any means and everybody's and everybody's experience is going to differ from client to client.

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I think it really starts with coming in and doing a skin analysis to see what procedure or what facial, I guess, is going to fit your needs best.

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What is a skin analysis?

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A skin analysis is pretty much when you come in and you take a closer look at the client's skin under either like a mag lamp, which is like a magnifying glass that has a little lamp so you can see the skin a little bit more clearly or just, you know, I love using my hands.

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Obviously, sanitation is so important, so my hands are clean or I am wearing gloves before I touch anybody's skin.

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But I do like to feel the skin to see if there's anything underneath, because, for example, my skin I you won't really be able to see a lot on the surface, but when I touch my own skin, I could feel like congestion underneath the surface, and so that's going to help me identify.

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Okay, is this, you know?

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Is this a pimple or is it a blackhead?

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Is it congestion?

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Is it dry skin?

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Is it cystic acne?

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What's happening underneath the surface?

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So what I like to do in my skin analysis is really take my time, feel what's on the skin, as well as using a magnifying lamp, to see if I can see anything that maybe my naked eye couldn't catch so you're able to see if someone has congestion is prone to acne, if they're sensitive and more inflamed, and that will direct your therapy or your treatment protocol.

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Absolutely, and I'm also really big into intake forms.

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I cannot stress this enough.

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Having a client fill out an intake form is so important because it really helps me identify or see little things that could, you know, trigger a breakout.

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Sleep is really important when it comes to your skin.

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Water hydration, external environmental causes these things are so important and with an intake form it essentially helps me figure out exactly what the client is doing without having to have a 30 minute consultation.

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They fill it out I over, I look it over and then I can kind of see okay, maybe you're not drinking enough water, you're a little bit more dehydrated, and you know that can help me identify is their skin dehydrated or is it dry?

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You know, is it lacking water or is it lacking oil?

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So these things really do help and that is a part of the skin analysis as well.

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Right, it's like you can be in the office and do the perfect procedure on them, and if they're not doing things at home that are supporting your procedure, it's almost wasted.

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So can we pivot a little bit into at-home skin care?

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Yeah, tell me what your thoughts are on at-home skincare.

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Oh, it's so important.

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It's so important.

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I compare skincare at-home skincare and seeing your esthetician to the diet and exercise 80-20 rule.

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It is so important 20% of the results that you're going to see in your diet and exercise, that comes from your exercise and 80% of it is from your dieting.

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I compare it the same way 20% of the time your results are going to be driven by your esthetician and what you're doing in the treatment room.

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80% of it is how you maintain it and take care of it at home.

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I cannot stress this enough.

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You don't have to have a 13 step skincare routine, but you need to have something that works for you, because if you're not taking care of your skin at home, that 20% is not going to make much of a difference and I would hate my clients to waste their time and their money on something that they could easily be doing at home.

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I love that.

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I love that analogy.

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I've always thought of it as like brushing your teeth, so you can go to your esthetician, ie like get your teeth clean every three months or so Although with the rate of how how your skin turns over, it may need to be more frequently or less frequently than that but you're still going to brush your teeth at home.

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So if you don't brush your teeth at home, then you're just putting the burden on the dental hygienist to clean your teeth and then it.

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You know, it looked good for a week or so.

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Just sort of like if somebody does a treatment with you or goes to their dermatologist, they'll look good for a short-lived period of time, but if they're not doing the basics at home, then they're not going to establish a long-term result.

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So what are some of the basic skin care that you recommend universally for people or for those with?

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Let's just say, what's one of the biggest issues that you see with people actually?

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Is it acne, is it oil or is it hyperpigmentation?

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I would say a lot of it is like aging, a lot of it is aging and in what way?

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aging fine lines, wrinkles, dehydrated skin, dry skin.

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I mean, I know that a lot of people are really into tretinoin right now and they're like heavily like everybody's on this, like tretinoin kick, and I love that and I think it's great, but do I think it needs to be, you know, maybe that strong?

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No, I think for people who are just starting off on their skincare journey that do want to target some anti-aging I don't want to say issues, but like concerns that they may have I definitely recommend, like having a really good nighttime routine and, like I said, it doesn't.

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It's not a one size fits all and it's definitely doesn't have to be like a 15 nighttime routine.

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And, like I said, it doesn't it's not a one size fits all and it's definitely doesn't have to be like a 15 step routine.

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But if you have really good basics, a good retinol and a good moisturizer for nighttime, you don't want to be like dripping in your skincare this whole glazed donut trend that I'm seeing for people's skin.

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I don't know that it really is going to give you the results you need, because I don't see it really going into the skin.

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You know the molecules are not small enough to penetrate past the first layer of the skin.

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So does it really?

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I don't know.

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You know that's just how I see it.

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I agree, I agree.

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I think these are great questions because we know our skin is basically separating us from the outside world, so it's meant not to allow things to penetrate.

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And then the other thing we don't know about skincare is we.

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We might know that a retinol works well.

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We might know that a vitamin C can work as an antioxidant to lighten.

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We don't necessarily know how things work together.

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So there's science behind individual molecules.

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There's not a ton of science showing that 12 layers don't actually counter each other and make things ineffective.

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So I always think of okay.

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There's this concept called hormesis.

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It's like a little bit of injury causes the body to become stronger.

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So if you work out at the gym, you get stronger muscles.

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If you do microneedling, you get more collagen.

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If you are harsh with anything, you get a scar, you break your back, you know.

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So a little bit of injury can make it stronger.

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Too much can cause that.

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And I always wonder, like whether it's in the longevity world or the skincare world are.

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Some people do almost too many things and counter the benefits of just doing a little bit.

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And then I also think that skincare should be accessible for everyone, despite your background or your socioeconomic status.

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So I think it's really important for everyone to realize they're going to get some benefit, even if they just use a vitamin C or a retinol.

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And for those of you like listening about retinol, it's not sexy, it's not in TikTok all the time, because it's been around since the 1970s and it's the most scientifically proven molecule to help reverse sun damage, to help stimulate collagen, even out skin tone.

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It just is not like the biggest newest thing, but it's the most scientifically backed.

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So how do you have people initiate a retinol like?

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Break down the details of how you can get someone to tolerate it without experiencing a lot of dryness or redness that we sometimes will see for sure I love that question because it is so important to not just start slapping on retinol every night.

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Like you said, perfect example microneedling right.

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We're damaging the skin just a little bit enough to help the skin get stronger and to stimulate collagen, which then in turn helps improve the elasticity in the skin, helps you look more youthful and fresh, and it's great.

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In the skin helps you look more youthful and fresh, and it's great.

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But with retinol, what's important to know about it is too much, too soon is not good.

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So I always like to tell my clients if they are interested in starting a retinol to start with, like a really gentle retinol.

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I have a couple that I recommend, but nothing that I'm really like 100% in love with just yet.

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Myself, I'm still on the hunt myself as safe as possible with their skin.

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So once a week and then the week after, I recommend twice a week and then I bump it up to every other day and then eventually, at some point they can, if they want, to start wearing it every night, and that's just kind of preference if your skin can handle it.

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Yeah, I love that.

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I'm very similar in my recommendations.

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So I recommend everything to the face, neck and chest as one unit.

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I think a lot of times people forget the neck and the chest.

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But with retinol, if it's caught in the creases like around the nose or around the mouth or in the fold of the neck when you sleep at night, it can get really irritating and cause loosening of the top, the corneocytes and the top layer a little too quickly and become irritating.

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We used to think that using retinol with a moisturizer made it less effective and now we find that that is not true and it makes it more well tolerated.

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And I can have people either use a sandwich technique where they use a moisturizer first and then the retinol and then moisturizer again if they're really prone to irritation, or just use the moisturizer afterwards.

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And to your point, it's about going slow and starting low.

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So start low, go slow.

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We're stimulating collagen which takes three to six months to form and we're in this for the long game, like we are in this for the long.

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oh yeah, and consistency is Absolutely.

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When it comes to retinol, you have to be consistent with it to see the results of it.

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I have been doing Botox since I was 23 or 24.

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But and Botox is great, you know we love Botox but you can't just do it on, you can't just do Botox by itself.

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You know you have to, you have to have a little cocktail of things.

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You know, that's what I like to call it a cocktail.

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I call it building a house right Like my hammer alone cannot build the whole house.

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So like, while Botox works on dynamic muscle movement, we're not going to use it on areas of the face where we need to move the muscles right.

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Maybe the frown lines, like who really wants a frown face?

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right.

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We're okay without that, but we do want micro expressions.

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So you know, I'm actually happy to see you and I could raise my brows but like for hyperpigmentation or for, you know, uneven skin tone or texture or reversing sun damage, retinol works so well.

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It's really undeniable.

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There's so many other things out there that try to compete and they've never taken the retinol spot.

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So we'll see.

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There's some science with liposomal technology.

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That's kind of exciting, because the liposomal technology can get through the bilipid membrane without causing so much irritation to the epidermis.

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We also need to see that the results are there as well.

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So there's a lot of science that's starting to work in our favor, which is great, and it's really exciting too, right?

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Technology keeps advancing and we're so excited to see the future of skincare because it just I don't know, I think it keeps getting better and better, in my opinion, I think sky's the limit, absolutely, absolutely.

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There's a conference I'm going to have you at.

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I'm going to tell you about it offline that I think you should attend.

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You'll love it.

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About the science of skincare yeah and um, okay, so let's go back to uh, facials and esthetician.

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So people are using skincare at home.

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How often should be they be seeing their esthetician?

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listen, I know that some people may agree and disagree with me, but because I do believe it's not a one-size-fits-all, generally I would love to see my clients every four to six weeks.

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However, if you are keeping up with your skincare at home and you're doing great and there aren't many skin concerns that you have, for you to be motivated to come into the salon, I recommend every eight to 12 weeks, depending on the client, but generally four to six weeks.

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Okay.

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So maybe if they have a concern that they're trying to be aggressively treating and improving, it would be more of a four to six week thing.

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Is there any benefit to coming sooner than every four weeks?

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Or you really need to let things sort of settle in and simmer and take effect, because we live in a very impatient society.

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So is there too much?

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There is too much.

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I don't recommend coming in sooner than four weeks.

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You can technically come in every two weeks, but you know, at that point it's like are you again?

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You know it's like you're relying on your hygienist essentially to clean your teeth for you, like why?

00:21:13.304 --> 00:21:14.646
You know why?

00:21:14.646 --> 00:21:15.548
Why would you want to?

00:21:15.548 --> 00:21:15.769
You're?

00:21:15.769 --> 00:21:21.784
I am for the people, right, like it's a business and I understand that completely and this is my living.

00:21:21.784 --> 00:21:25.627
But I also don't want to be taking advantage of my clients.

00:21:25.627 --> 00:21:36.258
I feel like I really strive to be honest with my clients and I wouldn't want my client coming in every two weeks just for them to have the same results as if they were to come in every four weeks.

00:21:36.258 --> 00:21:40.905
I would send you home with products and I would tell you hey, keep up with this at home.

00:21:40.905 --> 00:21:41.847
You're doing amazing.

00:21:41.847 --> 00:21:46.453
As much as I love you and I'd love to see you, I don't think it's necessary.

00:21:47.154 --> 00:21:48.096
Okay, so that's great.

00:21:48.096 --> 00:22:05.269
So if you're listening and there's something that you want to aim to improve, whether it's acne pigmentation, some blemishes, some uneven skin tone, you just want to boost every four to six weeks If you feel like you're on cruise control more towards the every two to three months.

00:22:05.590 --> 00:22:05.892
Yeah.

00:22:06.152 --> 00:22:07.314
Got it Absolutely.

00:22:07.314 --> 00:22:11.285
Now you're on a desert island, you don't have an esthetician.

00:22:11.285 --> 00:22:13.787
You get to bring one product.

00:22:13.787 --> 00:22:15.787
What would that product be?

00:22:17.540 --> 00:22:18.968
So standard and generic.

00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:21.300
I know what you're going to say.

00:22:21.300 --> 00:22:22.082
Well, maybe I don't.

00:22:22.722 --> 00:22:23.022
SPF, spf.

00:22:23.022 --> 00:22:24.003
I know what you're going to say.

00:22:24.003 --> 00:22:29.509
Well, maybe I don't SPF SPF If you have a good SPF, like you're, solid.

00:22:29.509 --> 00:22:31.712
Sun damage is so horrible.

00:22:31.712 --> 00:22:38.403
I've seen what it does to people's skin it ages you, it dehydrates you, it takes a lot of.

00:22:38.403 --> 00:22:43.733
You know, sun damage can even affect your like oil, the oils in your skin.

00:22:43.733 --> 00:22:47.162
It's yeah, spf, all the spf, all the way all the way right.

00:22:47.221 --> 00:23:01.051
It's so interesting because people will often get sun because they think it helps with acne, but it actually breaks down the elastic tissue and it makes the the pores actually look bigger over time so maybe some short-term gain, but really long-term, like horrible pain.

00:23:01.152 --> 00:23:10.375
so oh yeah, I know it's such a not sexy answer, but it's really the truth, because you see it in San Diego, I see it in Arizona and I've lived in Hawaii.

00:23:10.375 --> 00:23:17.532
I've even lived in, like, the Rocky mountains, and the sun damage causes more problems with your skin than anything else.

00:23:17.532 --> 00:23:28.125
So before you spend money on a high tech, you know, dna repair enzyme or even a retinol, you have to avoid the sun because it breaks down collagen and causes all the things we don't want.

00:23:28.786 --> 00:23:29.467
Absolutely.

00:23:29.467 --> 00:23:32.653
I am like the biggest believer in SPF.

00:23:32.653 --> 00:23:35.645
Is like not a miracle product.

00:23:35.645 --> 00:23:42.728
I don't think any one product is a miracle product, but I do think SPF is is close, is close.

00:23:42.928 --> 00:23:45.273
I know, at least for the high real estate areas.

00:23:45.273 --> 00:23:59.518
So I'm a big fan of getting broad surface areas of the body exposed a few times a week, depending on where you live and your skin type, although I do not believe in having my face, my neck and my chest especially at the age of 53, exposed to the sun.

00:23:59.518 --> 00:24:04.943
Yeah, because I do not want the wrinkles and the cancer and all the other things that I get Absolutely Even your hands.

00:24:05.163 --> 00:24:09.768
Oh, spf on my hands every morning, like whatever is left on my face.

00:24:09.768 --> 00:24:13.510
I rub it into my hands and you know you can even get sun exposure.

00:24:13.510 --> 00:24:18.275
Excuse me, you can even get sun exposure from your windshield when you're driving.

00:24:18.275 --> 00:24:20.676
You know your hand is on the steering wheel and you're driving.

00:24:20.676 --> 00:24:27.861
You get sun exposure from that too.

00:24:27.861 --> 00:24:29.101
And the I've heard, which I find myself I've noticed as well.

00:24:29.101 --> 00:24:39.637
Maybe I'm a little bit more hyper aware, but now I'm noticing that that how you can tell somebody's age is like really in the folds of their necks and in their hands.

00:24:39.637 --> 00:24:45.705
Because, like we were talking about with Botox, you know it only relaxes the muscles, but like it.

00:24:45.705 --> 00:24:46.807
What about the folds?

00:24:46.807 --> 00:24:47.670
What about the hands?

00:24:47.670 --> 00:24:48.512
What you know.

00:24:48.512 --> 00:24:52.066
So, protecting the hands, the neck, the chest super important.

00:24:52.465 --> 00:24:55.249
Yeah, I mean to your point about the sun damage.

00:24:55.249 --> 00:24:57.730
So people will say I don't get sun there.

00:24:57.730 --> 00:25:00.913
You know, when I see them for an examination I don't get sun there.

00:25:00.913 --> 00:25:02.173
It's just because of my age.

00:25:02.173 --> 00:25:08.599
I have them look at the upper inner part of their arm and that's the natural age of our skin.

00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:09.840
Doesn't it look like a five-year-old?

00:25:09.840 --> 00:25:22.224
You know, everything else is from the sun, so not just sunscreen, but like all the skincare products I use on my face, I take the rest on my palm and put it on the back of my hands because I am conscious about how quickly my hands age.

00:25:22.224 --> 00:25:23.951
Okay, so lots of products.

00:25:23.951 --> 00:25:25.932
We talked about some of the key products.

00:25:25.932 --> 00:25:31.298
As far as cleansing, why do people need to cleanse and what's up with double cleansing?

00:25:31.298 --> 00:25:32.670
Do people need to double cleanse?

00:25:32.670 --> 00:25:33.773
What is double cleansing?

00:25:33.773 --> 00:25:34.953
What are the ways to do it?

00:25:35.396 --> 00:25:36.325
Okay, great question.

00:25:36.505 --> 00:25:39.816
I love that because I'm a double cleanser girly.

00:25:39.816 --> 00:25:41.652
I double cleanse morning and night.

00:25:41.652 --> 00:25:43.030
People think it's a little too much.

00:25:43.030 --> 00:25:49.673
It can be if you're using really stripping products or if you're using like a cleanser with salicylic acid.

00:25:49.673 --> 00:25:54.040
You know I recommend to use two different kinds of cleansers.

00:25:54.040 --> 00:25:57.031
Again, it's not for everybody, but this is what works for me.

00:25:57.031 --> 00:26:10.769
Double cleansing here's like the thing that people really get confused by, because they think, you know, I'm washing my face once, like, of course, all of the dirt and the oil.

00:26:10.769 --> 00:26:17.277
If I'm doing a good scrub it's going to come out Right, but it only breaks down the dirt and the oil.

00:26:17.317 --> 00:26:18.319
Your first cleanse.

00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:26.990
But when you're doing your second cleanse, that's when the product is really, you know, getting in there and helping you with whatever skin concern you have.

00:26:26.990 --> 00:26:38.770
So for people who are acne prone, for example, obviously if you're like a level two or three acne prone type of person, I recommend to do an oil cleanser first.

00:26:38.770 --> 00:26:58.993
That's like really gentle, so you're not causing a lot of friction on the skin and when you emulsify it into your hands, you'll really see the oil and the dirt break down as you're emulsifying and when you go in with your second cleanser which I'll always recommend something that has salicylic acid in it like top tier for acne prone clients.

00:26:59.856 --> 00:27:04.369
That is really going to help target your skin concern, which is acne.

00:27:04.369 --> 00:27:11.554
So for people who use mandelic acid or lactic acid, those are targeted for different skin concerns.

00:27:11.554 --> 00:27:21.173
But I always recommend to go in with an oil cleanser first because it's gentle and it can break down if you're somebody who wears makeup every day, first because it's gentle and it can break down if you're somebody who wears makeup every day.

00:27:21.173 --> 00:27:36.797
Personally I don't, but I still like to do it because I just feel like when I go walking every day, I walk for anywhere from like six to eight miles a day, so I'm getting a lot of environmental, all of the pollution and the dirt just from walking in the streets.

00:27:36.797 --> 00:27:50.093
You know it's important that I break that down first and then I go in with my cleanser that is going to target my skin concern, which for me personally, I love to use a cleanser that's like really hydrating.

00:27:50.493 --> 00:27:51.875
Okay, that's great.

00:27:51.875 --> 00:27:52.336
Okay.

00:27:52.336 --> 00:28:03.894
So the first step is really to remove the environmental particles and the toxins makeup, spf and then the second one is to be skin directed.

00:28:03.894 --> 00:28:19.939
So I like salicylic acid a lot too for oily skin because it's drawn to oil, it's anti-inflammatory, it comes from the willow tree, that's same as aspirin and it's it's tolerated by a lot of skin types, whereas lactic acid can burn if you're rosacea prone.

00:28:19.939 --> 00:28:27.336
So I mean anyone listening, if something, if we, if we ever recommend something and it doesn't feel good on your skin, it's not meant for you, right?

00:28:27.336 --> 00:28:33.296
And that's why we want people to ultimately listen to their own skin, because your skin will give you the answers and, intuitively, you know.

00:28:33.296 --> 00:28:41.135
You know what you need and having the guidance of a dermatologist or an esthetician and somebody who understands skin can help direct you.

00:28:41.135 --> 00:28:43.960
Yet you always know your own skin needs.

00:28:44.019 --> 00:28:46.166
So listen to it 100%.

00:28:46.166 --> 00:28:47.628
I am like I.

00:28:47.628 --> 00:28:54.039
That's why I stress this so much Skin is not a one size fits all.

00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:55.786
What works for you is not going to work for me.

00:28:55.786 --> 00:29:00.148
What works for Jack over there is not going to work for Sally over here.

00:29:00.148 --> 00:29:01.128
It's, it's not.

00:29:01.128 --> 00:29:01.930
It's not the same.

00:29:01.930 --> 00:29:03.451
So absolutely.

00:29:03.451 --> 00:29:24.551
But I clients, do you know, come in sometimes and they do ask me questions that are really meant to be asked like to a dermatologist, and so I always have to really take a step back and tell the client like, yes, this is great, these are great questions.

00:29:24.551 --> 00:29:36.372
As much as I want to answer that for you, I think it's best that you do see a dermatologist, because some skin concerns are a little bit more what's the word I'm looking for?

00:29:36.372 --> 00:29:42.875
Some skin concerns are a little bit more, that need a little bit more medical attention.

00:29:42.875 --> 00:29:46.314
Really, you need to go and see a dermatologist.

00:29:46.484 --> 00:29:48.353
They may be a clue something else is going on.

00:29:48.353 --> 00:29:57.291
Yeah, and I look going back to my dentist analogy, right, you see the dentist once a year, your dermatologist, then you see your dental hygienist for your teeth cleaning, like I go four times a year.

00:29:57.404 --> 00:29:59.686
So you see your esthetician, your dental hygienist, for your teeth cleaning.

00:29:59.686 --> 00:30:03.346
Like I go four times a year, so you see your esthetician and then you still do your skincare at home, so that you become attuned to what your skin needs.

00:30:03.346 --> 00:30:07.988
The more you give it attention, the more you will understand and have that relationship with your skin.

00:30:07.988 --> 00:30:13.846
I want to go back to the double cleanse, like where does micellar water fall into this?

00:30:13.846 --> 00:30:16.310
What are your thoughts on micellar water.

00:30:17.093 --> 00:30:20.747
I can't speak too much about micellar water because I don't use it.

00:30:20.747 --> 00:30:25.154
I don't necessarily like it, I don't know.

00:30:25.154 --> 00:30:30.007
I don't see that it really does much for clients.

00:30:30.007 --> 00:30:38.634
It's a good makeup remover, but I don't believe it should be a product that's used to cleanse the skin at all.

00:30:38.634 --> 00:30:48.712
If anything, I think micellar water can almost, if it's used alone can be damaging to the skin.

00:30:49.635 --> 00:30:49.895
How.

00:30:51.888 --> 00:31:02.906
I think when I think of micellar water, I think of it having that I don't't know that like residue-y feeling like after you use it.

00:31:02.906 --> 00:31:13.835
So there's, I don't know much about it, but there's just something in the micellar water that I feel like if you use it alone, it's like I don't know.

00:31:13.835 --> 00:31:15.898
I feel like I just spread dirt around my face.

00:31:15.898 --> 00:31:17.727
I don't really feel like I cleaned it.

00:31:17.727 --> 00:31:18.307
You know.

00:31:19.567 --> 00:31:21.390
I love that you're so intuitive that way.

00:31:21.390 --> 00:31:29.317
So my understanding of the history of micellar water is it was created in Paris when the water supply was really dirty.

00:31:29.317 --> 00:31:38.567
So they took soap particles and they surrounded it by like a water molecule, and it was when people had no access to running water.

00:31:38.567 --> 00:31:40.673
Right so to your point of feeling that something's still on your skin.

00:31:40.673 --> 00:31:44.134
It is, it's a soap particle that's mixed in the water.

00:31:44.134 --> 00:31:50.731
I do use it for my makeup but, like as we talked before we started here, I'm a simple, simple person, like I normally don't look this glammed up.

00:31:50.805 --> 00:32:11.797
So I have like tinted sunscreen and then I just use the Mylocellar water for my makeup and then I use a cleanser and I use something called AO2 Clear afterwards, which is hyperoxygenated water, and I can see whether my cleanser has done an effective job or not, because I'll see residue on the pad from that.

00:32:11.797 --> 00:32:12.179
So there's just so.

00:32:12.179 --> 00:32:13.444
What we're saying here is that we're both experts in the field.

00:32:13.444 --> 00:32:19.045
We have like almost 40 years combined experience together and we do things differently.

00:32:19.045 --> 00:32:21.974
So there's many things out there that are there for everyone.

00:32:21.974 --> 00:32:29.018
I've played with oil-based cleansers and I don't dislike them.

00:32:29.018 --> 00:32:31.830
I'm just a little lazy Like I'm a little lazier than you.

00:32:31.830 --> 00:32:34.394
I'm going to be honest as far as doing so many steps.

00:32:35.787 --> 00:32:36.309
I really am.

00:32:36.309 --> 00:32:45.326
I mean, I'll cleanse my face once, then I'll do the oxygen, then I go get changed, then I'll put my retinol on, then I'll brush my teeth and then I'll put my moisturizer on.

00:32:45.326 --> 00:32:48.334
And I want the same moisturizer from my face, my eyes and my neck.

00:32:48.473 --> 00:32:50.627
Yeah, I don't want like five different things.

00:32:50.627 --> 00:33:01.547
So I'm a little, a little lazier than you, um, but I'm just thinking like I forgot what I was thinking.

00:33:01.547 --> 00:33:04.855
I was just wondering, like, as far as that, the oil-based cleansers, like, is there anyone whose skin wouldn't tolerate that?

00:33:04.855 --> 00:33:11.035
Because I think a lot of people that are acne prone are afraid of using oil and then they end up over drying their skin out.

00:33:11.035 --> 00:33:22.057
So I I find that people who have acne are okay with an oil-based cleanser, as long as it's not coconut oil right, it has to be gentle for sure, which they're usually not made of coconut oil.

00:33:22.116 --> 00:33:29.548
So like are there particular things that someone with acne, prone skin or anyone who shouldn't use an oil-based cleanser?

00:33:30.851 --> 00:33:39.556
In my experience I haven't met anybody, or I haven't seen or heard of anybody that you know can't necessarily use an oil-based cleanser.

00:33:39.556 --> 00:33:44.136
I think it's just about finding the right product for you and the right oil cleanser for you.

00:33:44.136 --> 00:33:59.653
So a lot of people really like those balms because they're, you know, thick at first and then you get to emulsify and it's fun to use you know, and then there are people that just like to go in with the straight pump oil cleanser, and that's a little bit easier to use as well.

00:34:00.346 --> 00:34:08.659
Not as messy as a balm, I would say, but in terms of if there's a skin type that it doesn't really work well with, I don't think so.

00:34:08.659 --> 00:34:11.914
I think it's pretty gentle enough for everybody to use.

00:34:12.125 --> 00:34:15.371
And it's not penetrating, it's just being used to remove.

00:34:15.492 --> 00:34:21.286
Exactly, yeah used to remove.

00:34:21.286 --> 00:34:29.954
Exactly, yeah, and I think if you're obviously taking like a rough towel and wiping it off, obviously it's going to do a little bit of damage because you're being so rough with the product as well as the tool that you're using to remove it.

00:34:29.954 --> 00:34:36.054
But I don't, I don't think it's harsh enough to really cause too much damage.

00:34:36.635 --> 00:34:49.755
Okay, let's talk about meshing the worlds between an esthetician and a makeup artist, because I don't often meet people that do both, so that's very powerful, I believe.

00:34:49.755 --> 00:34:53.550
So what's your take with having the expertise in both those areas?

00:34:54.985 --> 00:35:01.909
Well, like I said, your makeup is only going to look as good as you know how you take care of it underneath.

00:35:01.909 --> 00:35:08.208
But skincare was something that I had loved and found so fascinating since I graduated high school.

00:35:08.208 --> 00:35:12.706
I actually wanted to go to esthetician school right after I graduated high school.

00:35:12.706 --> 00:35:19.119
Um, you know, but life happens and you kind of get off the path a little bit.

00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.735
But I always knew that I wanted to be a makeup artist as well.

00:35:22.735 --> 00:35:27.117
Teachers would ask you know, in school, as the icebreaker, what do you want to be when you grow up?

00:35:27.117 --> 00:35:33.458
And everybody knew that I was the girl that wanted to be a makeup artist, because I just love glam so much.

00:35:33.625 --> 00:35:41.418
But I do think it's so important to take care of your skin so that you're to take care of your skin so that your glam looks good.

00:35:41.418 --> 00:36:14.996
So, really, over the years since I started doing makeup in 2013, I really was so fascinated also by what products have what ingredients in them for makeup application, and I think that just made my passion for skincare even more intense, because I would look at what foundations can go with what primers and moisturizers.

00:36:14.996 --> 00:36:17.201
Is it an oil-based moisturizer?

00:36:17.201 --> 00:36:19.585
Then I would have to use like an oil-based foundation.

00:36:19.585 --> 00:36:31.911
So that's really how they mesh as well, and I think it's important for people when they're looking at their makeup and they're like you know, these products look so amazing on this person, why don't they look good on me?

00:36:31.911 --> 00:36:40.949
Well, you know, you have to also consider the ingredients that are in your skincare products, as well as your makeup products, and see if they work well together.

00:36:41.349 --> 00:36:49.246
And also what works well for you, because, like, for instance, your hair is different from mine, so I couldn't wear the same hairstyle as you because it wouldn't work on me.

00:36:49.246 --> 00:36:55.148
Just like the shape of your face is different from mine, so what looks good on you wouldn't look good on me.

00:36:55.148 --> 00:36:57.914
And I think this is a really big thing.

00:36:57.914 --> 00:37:06.630
That I want people to hear is like let's accent your best asset rather than trying to be what someone else's best asset is, because I'll never be a great Giselle.

00:37:06.630 --> 00:37:09.436
Let's just be honest You'll never be a great Jen.

00:37:09.476 --> 00:37:09.597
Like.

00:37:09.916 --> 00:37:15.369
I'm good at being me, you're good at being you, and let's just expand who we are in that category Absolutely yeah.

00:37:15.409 --> 00:37:35.994
There's a lot of trends out now now, and I think that one of the things that bothers me the most, after being in this industry so long, is the fact that there's a lot of externalizing and reaching outward for answers rather than coming into yourself and learning what the answers are, and it takes practice to do that with the help and guidance of an expert.

00:37:35.994 --> 00:37:47.032
Eventually, my goal is for everyone to be attuned and in tune and have the intuition of what works well for them, but there's always the skincare trends out there, and you know we do have, we do get caught up with them.

00:37:47.032 --> 00:37:50.047
So, like, what are you seeing now as far as skincare trends?

00:37:50.047 --> 00:37:52.835
What's the good, the bad and the ugly in your opinion?

00:37:53.317 --> 00:37:59.635
Okay, I'm going to start with the bad, and I don't want anybody coming for me.

00:38:00.184 --> 00:38:08.112
As long as we end with the good, yeah, we're going to end with the good, but I'm looking directly at the camera and saying this Nobody better come for me for saying this A trend.

00:38:08.112 --> 00:38:15.536
I'm sorry, I don't think any tool is as powerful as your hands.

00:38:15.536 --> 00:38:27.385
So for me, I don't think Gua Sha oh, I'm so sorry People are going to come for me for saying this but like, gua Sha is a great tool, but like, why can't you use your hands?

00:38:27.385 --> 00:38:31.396
Your hands are the most powerful tool that you have when it comes to your skincare.

00:38:31.396 --> 00:38:41.420
The, the sensation even of hand on face contact, just feels so much better than any tool you can ever use.

00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:42.608
So that's my.

00:38:42.608 --> 00:38:48.751
I don't want to say bad, but like it's just not something that I would ever really be into.

00:38:48.864 --> 00:38:54.090
And I know people are obsessed with Gua Sha right now, like they have been for years.

00:38:54.090 --> 00:39:02.860
But for I don't know, maybe it's just coming up on my for you page so much these days, but like I'm seeing it everywhere and I'm like I'm Dude.

00:39:02.860 --> 00:39:03.782
Use your hands.

00:39:03.782 --> 00:39:05.742
Like, give yourself a lymphatic massage.

00:39:05.742 --> 00:39:07.802
It's the best thing you can do for your face.

00:39:07.802 --> 00:39:10.063
You want to structure jawline?

00:39:10.063 --> 00:39:12.324
You want to get out all the inflammation?

00:39:12.324 --> 00:39:14.119
Lymphatic massage.

00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:14.621
Use your hands.

00:39:14.621 --> 00:39:19.445
It's the same thing as a Gua Sha, and you don't need to pay for a tool to be able to do it yourself.

00:39:20.327 --> 00:39:25.407
I agree, I feel like there's a lot of overcomplication.

00:39:25.407 --> 00:39:27.202
We don't need to overcomplicate things.

00:39:27.202 --> 00:39:29.914
I mean, I do think Gua Sha has a purpose.

00:39:29.914 --> 00:39:31.077
If you want to go there.

00:39:31.077 --> 00:39:38.204
My time is better utilized somewhere else and I agree the feedback from your fingers and your hands not picking.

00:39:38.865 --> 00:39:43.054
Right, right, but like massaging and that's part of the routine of the morning and the night.

00:39:43.054 --> 00:39:46.025
It's not even as much the skincare products we're applying.

00:39:46.025 --> 00:39:53.322
It's about taking that time and that ritual to care for yourself, especially as women.

00:39:53.322 --> 00:39:53.804
We don't do that enough.

00:39:53.804 --> 00:39:57.922
We need to take time that is uninterrupted to take care of ourself, massage our face Around the eyes.

00:39:57.922 --> 00:40:04.362
I see people are afraid to like even put cream on because they're afraid to stimulate and touch around their eyes that they're going to tear elastic tissue.

00:40:04.362 --> 00:40:05.463
That's absurd.

00:40:05.784 --> 00:40:14.835
It is yeah, we need to remove the lymphatic, you know, move the lymphatics and stimulate the collagen a little bit, and by doing it with your hands instead of a tool you're not going to be too aggressive.

00:40:14.835 --> 00:40:16.161
So I completely agree with that.

00:40:16.355 --> 00:40:28.626
Yeah, and I think that if you're gentle, you're not like you're not causing that much friction in your skin that you're going to be pulling it so much that you're ruining whatever elasticity you have in your skin.

00:40:28.626 --> 00:40:34.746
If you're, if you're worried about like aging and your skin sagging or becoming loose it's not like that at all.

00:40:34.746 --> 00:40:40.561
Obviously you're using oils and moisturizers to help massage your skin.

00:40:40.561 --> 00:40:45.760
You're not going to go in with dry hands and a dry face Like that's not even enjoyable.

00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.226
It it hurts actually if you think about it.

00:40:48.226 --> 00:40:50.418
But that's my yeah, that's my thing.

00:40:50.418 --> 00:41:02.458
And um, another thing that I think really has kind of gone a little crazy in terms of like I don't know.

00:41:02.458 --> 00:41:23.766
I think it's really wild in this day and age that we're paying upwards of $60,000 for equipment and devices as estheticians when some of the best results you can get are from like a standard custom facial Do you do chemical peels?

00:41:23.987 --> 00:41:26.731
I do chemical peels, you know it's interesting because I trained.

00:41:26.853 --> 00:41:28.340
Actually I trained in san diego, where you are.

00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:42.387
I trained with a lot of chemical peels at the beginning of the laser time and we can get very similar results with a good deep chemical peel, I agree, and we can with a very expensive laser and it's about 1 20th of the price.

00:41:42.387 --> 00:41:52.885
So I mean there's also risks of scarring and things like that, but like you can do a series of chemical peels and get some really good results without paying the price tag of a laser.

00:41:52.885 --> 00:42:12.235
I do like lasers for certain things, like blood vessels, because of the targeted approach, but for overall, like prejuvenation and treating fine lines and wrinkles and getting the top layer of skin off to stimulate the stem cells below, like chemical peels and facials like you can get a lot of results from that.

00:42:12.655 --> 00:42:14.079
I love chemical peels.

00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:20.219
I think they are so effective and I think if they're done right, you can get amazing results out of them.

00:42:20.219 --> 00:42:26.309
Obviously, you're not going to go in and do a chemical peel on somebody who's never had one.

00:42:26.309 --> 00:42:31.956
You know you're going to start them off with something a little bit more gentle, like an enzyme and then, you know, work your way up to a chemical peel.

00:42:31.956 --> 00:42:52.010
But I just I see this craze within the past seven to eight years, I would say, where everybody's going cuckoo bananas over these really expensive devices and I don't know if it's just because people like to flex.

00:42:52.010 --> 00:43:05.943
I would say that they're getting these like $1,000 facials or $500 facials, that you could get the same result with maybe a series of treatments two, three chemical peels instead of like $1,000.

00:43:05.943 --> 00:43:09.599
I don't know, that's just my how I see it yeah, I always wonder.

00:43:09.619 --> 00:43:14.478
I have these moments of perception where, like number one, what if we didn't know when we were born?

00:43:14.478 --> 00:43:15.400
How would we show up?

00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:24.358
And two is, what if we couldn't tell anyone what we did, we just had to show up the way we are you know, like we can't say oh, I got my hair done, oh, I got the laser, I got the whatever.

00:43:24.458 --> 00:43:35.460
Just show up as you are right, yeah so I think there's something to that with the ego and um, just if you're listening, just know that you can get really good results on any budget.

00:43:35.460 --> 00:43:38.427
Yeah you just may have to go a little slower over time.

00:43:38.427 --> 00:43:44.436
But that's how I like to do things aesthetically is I want you to slowly look better, very little over time.

00:43:44.436 --> 00:43:48.016
So someone might say oh, did you get a haircut, did you want, on vacation?

00:43:48.016 --> 00:43:57.936
They can't figure out what you had done, but then in three to five years you look remarkably better oh yeah you know, it's just not overnight and it's a mindset switch of like let's.

00:43:58.217 --> 00:44:03.735
Let's do it slowly and deliberately and wisely yeah, it's like going to the gym yeah, exactly.

00:44:03.775 --> 00:44:04.918
Or like getting your hair done.

00:44:04.918 --> 00:44:15.728
You're not to have like box dye hair that's like jet black, and then sit in a hairstylist chair for eight hours and expect to have platinum, elsa looking hair.

00:44:15.728 --> 00:44:17.320
That's not how it works.

00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:21.987
You know, there's no amount of I don't know.

00:44:21.987 --> 00:44:26.744
It's just I don't think that that's necessarily the best way to do things.

00:44:26.826 --> 00:44:35.159
If you're somebody who wants like a one and done type of situation, like there's no such thing as a one and done anymore, everything is a series of treatments now.

00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:48.126
So you know, I think for, yeah, for everybody's who, for everybody who's listening, like just know you don't have to have the craziest, most expensive device driven facial to have results.

00:44:48.126 --> 00:44:56.360
Like there are things that you could do through a regular custom facial or a european facial and things that you can do at home to really help improve your skin.

00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:03.485
And it is important to go and see a dermatologist too, because they have knowledge that estheticians don't.

00:45:03.485 --> 00:45:06.501
It's that's that's why you're a doctor and I'm an esthetician.

00:45:06.501 --> 00:45:15.369
We both have knowledge, we're both passionate about the same things, but there are certain things that your dermatologist can educate you on that maybe an esthetician wouldn't know.

00:45:15.369 --> 00:45:19.746
So it's it's about weighing your options as well yeah, you're right, I mean there's.

00:45:20.369 --> 00:45:23.217
So there's some pigmentary conditions that are not sunspots.

00:45:23.217 --> 00:45:26.405
They're a hint that something else is going on deeper in the skin.

00:45:26.405 --> 00:45:37.460
So, from a medical perspective, definitely, although I would argue that dermatologists don't have an hour to spend with someone that you do during a facial, where you have hands on and you can really teach them how to take care of their skin.

00:45:38.454 --> 00:45:43.242
And going back to your point about like the compound effect is, we are working.

00:45:43.242 --> 00:45:50.489
It's sort of like if you know you walk you said you walk six to eight miles a day what if you decided not to walk for a few months and then you did an ultra marathon?

00:45:50.489 --> 00:45:53.081
Like we're not going to do that with your skin either.

00:45:53.121 --> 00:45:54.164
So it's a compound effect.

00:45:54.164 --> 00:46:01.614
It's a little bit of stuff every day, working with the physiology of our skin to help exfoliate it without causing a burn.

00:46:01.614 --> 00:46:14.684
We want to do mild exfoliation, mild stimulation of the collagen, and give it six to eight weeks to stimulate collagen and then go back and do another cycle and it's a slow process where we work, we walk on the journey together.

00:46:14.684 --> 00:46:17.166
So I couldn't agree more with what you're saying.

00:46:17.166 --> 00:46:18.987
And it's it's a group approach.

00:46:18.987 --> 00:46:21.527
It's not one person is good and one person is bad.

00:46:21.527 --> 00:46:22.648
We need all of the above.

00:46:22.708 --> 00:46:24.329
Yeah, my answer is all of the above.

00:46:24.329 --> 00:46:25.050
Yeah, same.

00:46:25.050 --> 00:46:26.731
I am a firm believer in like it.

00:46:26.731 --> 00:46:30.934
Takes a village you know, and as much help as you can get, take it, why not?

00:46:30.934 --> 00:46:33.141
You have the resources and the tools available.

00:46:33.141 --> 00:46:34.264
Use them.

00:46:34.726 --> 00:46:36.271
And then tune in with what works for you.

00:46:36.271 --> 00:46:38.637
Okay, let's go to the good trends, let's do the good trends.

00:46:38.757 --> 00:46:41.681
Okay, what are some of the good things that we love?

00:46:41.681 --> 00:46:43.905
I love dermaplaning, I do.

00:46:43.905 --> 00:46:45.927
I think it's a great form of exfoliation.

00:46:45.927 --> 00:46:51.161
I love that it helps remove like the little baby hairs as well, you know.

00:46:51.161 --> 00:46:53.606
So you get a cleaner and better looking complexion.

00:46:53.606 --> 00:47:11.530
When I have a client that sits in my chair and their face is freshly dermaplaned chef's kiss I could literally kiss you and hug you like you are my best friend, because your makeup literally looks like it's a filter.

00:47:11.530 --> 00:47:16.585
It's so smooth and beautiful, so top.

00:47:16.585 --> 00:47:17.849
I love dermaplaning.

00:47:18.014 --> 00:47:19.601
Can you explain what dermaplaning is?

00:47:19.675 --> 00:47:31.329
Yes, so dermaplaning is an exfoliation process where pretty much you take a safe razor done by a professional.

00:47:31.329 --> 00:47:35.503
We're not using these little shaving tools that we get from Forever 21.

00:47:35.503 --> 00:47:49.769
I've literally seen them there and you essentially take a blade to the skin to help remove the dead skin cells off of the skin.

00:47:49.769 --> 00:47:59.623
So a lot of people, like you'll see in those videos like TikToks and reels where people are dermaplaning and they're using a really cheap razor, they're not really exfoliating.

00:47:59.623 --> 00:48:27.420
They might be exfoliating but they're not exfoliating as well as they could if they were having a professional do it with like a surgical blade that you know really helps get everything off in one pass, because what you want to do is you want to get it really close to the skin and I feel like with those like cheaper razors you're essentially just moving the hair, you're not really getting much of the dead skin cells.

00:48:27.420 --> 00:48:29.784
So it's a pretty, it's pretty much a form of drag.

00:48:30.065 --> 00:48:31.027
Yeah, there's pretty.

00:48:31.027 --> 00:48:34.224
It's pretty much a form of I'm sorry, there's pretty much.

00:48:34.224 --> 00:48:44.695
It's pretty much a form of shaving your face, but I don't even want to say that because it that's not even the right way to explain it.

00:48:44.695 --> 00:48:53.507
It's literally a form of exfoliation that helps get rid of all of the excess dead skin cells, as well as whatever vellus baby hairs you have.

00:48:54.289 --> 00:49:05.811
Yeah, yeah, I mean to your point about the cheap ones or the man at home kind of kit, it's just dragging the skin which is causing irritation and inflammation.

00:49:05.811 --> 00:49:09.322
Of kit, it's just dragging the skin which is causing irritation and inflammation.

00:49:09.322 --> 00:49:20.838
So all the more reason just because someone offers the procedure doesn't mean that they're good at the procedure, and this is something that is a big, yeah misunderstanding out there, because all derma planning is not created equal.

00:49:20.838 --> 00:49:22.963
All chemical peels are not created created equal.

00:49:23.664 --> 00:49:43.670
All botox is not created yes so vet out people, just like you would vet someone to you know, build your house, like, make sure that they know what they're doing yeah, it's so important like I love offering it as a service to my clients and I think it is like I said it.

00:49:44.076 --> 00:49:48.556
When you do your makeup afterwards it is so flawless and smooth and beautiful.

00:49:48.556 --> 00:49:49.958
Literally your skin looks like a filter.

00:49:49.958 --> 00:49:50.559
It's amazing.

00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:54.675
But you really really have to be careful.

00:49:54.675 --> 00:49:57.603
You know you can nick the skin so easily.

00:49:57.603 --> 00:50:00.978
The blades are really really sharp, especially if you get good quality blades.

00:50:00.978 --> 00:50:05.378
And you want to get good quality blades because you don't want to give somebody a.

00:50:05.378 --> 00:50:06.121
You know a half effort procedure.

00:50:06.121 --> 00:50:08.170
You want to do good quality blades because you don't want to give somebody.

00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:09.135
You know a half effort procedure.

00:50:09.135 --> 00:50:12.045
You want to do everything the right way and to the best of your ability.

00:50:12.045 --> 00:50:13.298
So these blades are sharp.

00:50:13.298 --> 00:50:14.302
You can nick somebody.

00:50:14.302 --> 00:50:19.827
If you go for more than one pass, you're over exfoliating the skin.

00:50:19.827 --> 00:50:30.561
It can cause like sensitivity and redness and sometimes you know products don't sit well on top of it after you do too much exfoliating, so got to do it the right way.

00:50:30.682 --> 00:50:32.201
Right, you have to know what you're doing.

00:50:32.201 --> 00:50:33.215
Yeah, and we never.

00:50:33.215 --> 00:50:35.121
The blades are never reused, everyone.

00:50:35.121 --> 00:50:36.945
Yes, they're never reused, ever.

00:50:36.945 --> 00:50:39.021
They're tossed, they're in the medical container.

00:50:39.155 --> 00:50:44.083
Yeah, If you, if you have a really good blade, you could use one blade for the whole face.

00:50:44.083 --> 00:50:50.617
But when I first started out I was like, oh, a blade is a blade right?

00:50:50.617 --> 00:50:52.699
No, it is not.

00:50:52.699 --> 00:51:01.663
I would have to use like three to four blades on my face when I would dermaplane myself, which I don't recommend to anybody who's listening.

00:51:01.663 --> 00:51:03.414
Do not dermaplane at home.

00:51:03.414 --> 00:51:04.836
Have a professional do it for you.

00:51:04.836 --> 00:51:06.338
That is important.

00:51:06.338 --> 00:51:17.532
But when I would do it for myself and I'm holding my skin really taut, you know, to make sure I don't nick myself and I'm doing it the right way I would be like, why is this blade so dull?

00:51:17.532 --> 00:51:19.623
And I would have to change like three to four blades.

00:51:19.623 --> 00:51:25.025
And so, if you can get a really good quality one blade for the whole face, that's important too.

00:51:25.347 --> 00:51:27.715
Right, yeah, it's quality.00:51:27.715 --> 00:51:28.436


One blade for the whole face.00:51:28.436 --> 00:51:29.099


That's important too, right?00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:31.545


Yeah, that's so interesting that you talked about how derma blading will make makeup appear better.00:51:31.545 --> 00:51:32.606


I never thought about that.00:51:32.606 --> 00:51:38.119


I always think it's great for, like, if you're going to do a chemical peel, it'll be more effective, or for skin care.00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:48.737


So when we remove that insulative top layer of skin, then you're without irritation, then the skin care that you apply will be more effective, because it it's.00:51:48.737 --> 00:51:53.771


You know, you remove the insulative layer so the skincare will penetrate better.00:51:53.771 --> 00:51:58.583


But I love your take on the fact that, like, your makeup will sit better on the skin.00:51:58.583 --> 00:51:59.746


That's really beautiful.00:51:59.746 --> 00:52:01.356


So someone has a big event.00:52:01.356 --> 00:52:16.940


Micro, uh, dermaplaning is is something that they should do before the event, absolutely, if they go to someone who's not going to cause irritation yeah, I mean go by a professional, of course, go by somebody that you trust, that you know is gonna do well.00:52:17.842 --> 00:52:21.309


um, but it's just like I said, it's it's.00:52:21.309 --> 00:52:30.978


Your skin is so smooth, you know there's no hair to cause friction between the foundation and the skin.00:52:30.978 --> 00:52:41.016


It lays more flat it it just, like you said, when you do your skincare at home, like after you dermaplane, like the products penetrate better into the skin and the makeup will as well.00:52:41.016 --> 00:52:47.434


Your primer sits a lot better, your moisturizer sits a lot better, so you don't have that risk of pilling.00:52:47.434 --> 00:52:54.943


And pilling is you know, when you get those little balls from like the friction of rubbing in your skincare and that happens in makeup too.00:52:54.943 --> 00:52:58.862


You know if the products are not really penetrating into the skin well enough.00:52:59.523 --> 00:53:04.880


And you're applying foundation and it happens really often people are like oh, why is it so patchy?00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:05.842


Why is it flaky?00:53:05.842 --> 00:53:16.971


A lot of it can be because you have excess dead skin cells that need to be exfoliated in order for the makeup to sit and actually feel like it's in your skin and not just sitting on top of it.00:53:16.971 --> 00:53:19.139


Have you ever gotten your makeup done?00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:27.646


Or have you ever done your makeup and you feel like gee, like, why is my makeup sitting on top of my skin but it's not one with my skin?00:53:27.646 --> 00:53:32.106


A lot of the times it could be because you need a good exfoliant.00:53:32.815 --> 00:53:33.880


That's a great point.00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.583


Okay, I want to jump on your point about pilling.00:53:36.583 --> 00:53:42.007


So what I have found causes pilling, and I'm not an esthetician.00:53:42.007 --> 00:53:57.458


So what I notice is when people apply too many products or they don't wait for the products to dry between steps, so I want them to completely let one layer get soaked in and absorbed in the skin before they put the next product on.00:53:57.458 --> 00:54:05.262


That's when I don't see pilling, and also sometimes it's the products themselves you know, like oil-based versus, you know that kind of thing.00:54:05.583 --> 00:54:06.083


So what do you?00:54:06.083 --> 00:54:06.824


What do you find?00:54:06.824 --> 00:54:07.565


Causes pilling.00:54:08.266 --> 00:54:14.780


So I agree with that completely because, um, in the morning, sometimes when I rush, that happens to me too.00:54:14.780 --> 00:54:18.748


But for cause, I do have clients that you know.00:54:18.748 --> 00:54:43.027


They'll be sitting in my chair and we'll just be having normal conversations while I'm doing their makeup about this topic and they'll tell me I'm doing all of the right things, I'm using all the right products and I am waiting in between each step and letting it dry down completely, and I'm even doing the patting and rolling motion instead of rubbing, and I'm like you know, have you thought maybe it could be because you know you're not exfoliating?00:54:43.027 --> 00:55:06.302


Maybe try using like a physical exfoliant, something that has like jojoba beads or almond shavings in it to help really get some of those dead skin cells off, or dermaplaning, because that really will take off all of those dead skin cells and then there's really nothing to ball up to you have me thinking a lot.00:55:06.414 --> 00:55:10.722


It makes such sense because I often will I see different complaints than you, right?00:55:10.722 --> 00:55:20.440


Because of just our unique roles, and I'll often have people complain about their skin being dry, especially in Arizona, right?00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:30.942


So I tell them it's dry because it needs to be exfoliated, because nothing's penetrating that insulative border yeah, the insulated border.00:55:30.942 --> 00:55:40.570


So I'm thinking the same thing with the pilling is like none of the skin care is getting absorbed because there's so many dead, packed skin cell layers over it.00:55:40.570 --> 00:55:44.445


So a lot of times when we think we don't need to exfoliate, that's exactly what we do.00:55:44.445 --> 00:55:48.666


But we don't need to do it if we're getting red and irritated, right, okay, that's great.00:55:48.666 --> 00:55:50.425


Okay, any other trends that?00:55:50.445 --> 00:55:51.655


you're excited about.00:55:51.875 --> 00:55:59.108


Oh, not that I can think of off the top of my head, but I will say I stopped.00:55:59.108 --> 00:56:03.402


Sorry, don't come for me, guys, I still they will.00:56:03.682 --> 00:56:05.226


Yeah, they will, no matter what.00:56:07.757 --> 00:56:08.822


Yeah, they will.00:56:08.822 --> 00:56:09.786


They'll all come for you, no matter what.00:56:09.786 --> 00:56:11.755


Yeah, everybody's going to come for me, no matter what.00:56:11.755 --> 00:56:22.938


You know, I kind of stopped using eye cream, not because I don't believe in it, but anything with a really high glycerin content works just as well In my opinion.00:56:22.938 --> 00:56:46.947


I don't know, I stopped using eye cream I would say about six months ago, and I just use a moisturizer with a high glycerin content and I like I swear it works the same so you're saying that you use product around your eyes, you just don't use a dedicated eye cream yeah, I'm the same I use a face cream that works for my eyes and my neck because I just don't use a dedicated eye cream.00:56:46.967 --> 00:56:53.344


I'm the same I use a face cream that works for my eyes and my neck because I just don't really feel that we need to treat those areas differently.00:56:53.344 --> 00:56:56.141


I don't want them aging differently, so I treat them very similarly.00:56:56.141 --> 00:56:59.364


Now, we're not putting it in our eyes, of course.00:56:59.775 --> 00:57:04.762


And you're very careful with how close you get, because you know the skin is a lot more.00:57:04.762 --> 00:57:08.559


It's thinner, it's thinner, it's thinner, that's, that's the word I'm looking for.00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:09.179


It's a lot thinner, you know.00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:12.237


So we have to be gentle, like I said, even when you're massaging your eyes.00:57:12.237 --> 00:57:17.106


We're not just going in dry skin, dry hands, but, um, I do.00:57:17.726 --> 00:57:33.204


I do really think, like I see a lot of amazing brands, brands that I personally love, that come out with eye creams, and I do recommend them sometimes to my clients if I like that or if I've used it in the past.00:57:33.204 --> 00:57:41.945


But for me personally, I don't think I need a dedicated, specific product just for my eyes.00:57:41.945 --> 00:57:45.137


I can use products that'll substitute it as well.00:57:45.137 --> 00:57:47.748


So then again, I'm not having to do like a 12 step routine and I can use products that'll substitute it as well.00:57:47.748 --> 00:57:51.579


So then again, I'm not having to do like a 12 step routine and I can, like, cut it down a little.00:57:51.579 --> 00:57:54.635


You know, cause it it it's expensive in this day and age.00:57:54.635 --> 00:58:04.043


Like skincare products are crazy expensive now and I don't feel like it's as accessible to people as it was back in the day.00:58:04.043 --> 00:58:13.500


I mean, there was always, you know, your tiers of skincare, you're more affordable, and then you have a little bit more of that middle ground and then you have, like, your really luxury brands.00:58:13.661 --> 00:58:19.059


And for me personally, yeah, really luxury brands right, but they do kind of the same thing.00:58:19.059 --> 00:58:24.518


So I don't know, I just I don't think I need one dedicated product for that area.00:58:24.697 --> 00:58:25.579


Yeah, I agree.00:58:25.579 --> 00:58:32.590


I mean, I think minimalism and simplicity and having like one thing work in many areas is going to be key for 2025.00:58:32.590 --> 00:58:43.804


The only thing around the eyes is you want to make sure something's tested around the eyes, so you don't want to just take any moisturizer, you want to make sure it's safe around the eyes, which a lot of moisturizers actually are, you know.00:58:43.945 --> 00:58:54.244


So I think brands have had to have neck creams, eye creams hand creams, you know, but I think many good creams can be used in all of those areas.00:58:54.244 --> 00:58:55.507


Yeah, I agree.00:58:55.507 --> 00:58:56.577


Thank you, giselle.00:58:56.577 --> 00:59:01.257


So okay, before we close out here, is there anything I didn't cover that you feel is super pressing?00:59:01.257 --> 00:59:05.065


Pressing, I definitely want to have you on again, but like oh, my god, thank you.00:59:05.085 --> 00:59:08.518


Um no, I think we, like, we covered a lot of stuff.00:59:08.518 --> 00:59:10.442


I think we did a great job.00:59:10.442 --> 00:59:11.483


I I can't.00:59:11.483 --> 00:59:16.224


I really wanted to talk about the thing and we did so great, good, good, yeah, I think.00:59:16.326 --> 00:59:32.635


Um, the other thing that I like about lymphatics, because I'm super into the interstitium and the lymphatics and just going back to gross anatomy in medical school, like the tissues were stuck on each other, and then going back to gross anatomy in medical school, like the tissues were stuck on each other, and then when I did real surgery in real life, like our bodies glide so well.00:59:32.635 --> 01:00:02.567


So if we have an area that's you know, like just talk about bags under the eyes, for instance if there's an area that's kind of puffy, like doing the lymphatic massage which I'd love for you to demonstrate in a video for the audience one day, because even I don't think I know how to do it right, but, like, what I'll do is just make sure I have tons of water, because dilution is a solution to pollution, and I'll do jumping jacks or a rebounder or something where there's like impact a little bit to kind of get the lymphatics flowing in the body.01:00:02.586 --> 01:00:06.943


So there's things we could do overall, or walking, and pounding the pavement Right.01:00:07.083 --> 01:00:23.664


Oh my gosh, I this is something that I cannot stress enough Like walking has literally changed my life and I see like the inflammation in my body has gone down so much just from walking and people are like, oh, it's not high impact, you're not really burning that many.01:00:23.664 --> 01:00:25.556


Yes, you are, you're burning calories.01:00:25.556 --> 01:00:29.164


You're getting outside, you're getting vitamin D, you're getting sun exposure.01:00:29.164 --> 01:00:32.519


You're too much, then exposure isn't good, but you get the right amount.01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:33.402


It's great for you.01:00:33.402 --> 01:00:48.657


It helps so much with your mental health as well, and even I'm not joking when I do my own lymphatic massages at home after I started walking, I noticed a huge difference in how much my face can de-puff just because I went on a walk that day.01:00:48.938 --> 01:00:50.141


Right, it's amazing.01:00:50.300 --> 01:00:52.746


It's the best thing that somebody can do for themselves.01:00:53.135 --> 01:00:56.545


Especially if you're with a friend or you're doing it at sunset or your pet.01:00:57.215 --> 01:00:58.436


Listening to a podcast.01:00:58.978 --> 01:01:03.987


Your time flies flies Right, right, okay.01:01:03.987 --> 01:01:05.068


So how can people find you?01:01:05.068 --> 01:01:06.759


Because I know they're all going to want to find you.01:01:06.759 --> 01:01:07.800


I hope they do.01:01:07.820 --> 01:01:10.686


I'm on Instagram and TikTok.01:01:10.686 --> 01:01:14.596


My is my first and last name, giselle Jumua.01:01:14.596 --> 01:01:17.545


I don't have like separate accounts for like personal and business.01:01:17.545 --> 01:01:21.945


I kind of just have them all in one so you get to see a little bit into my personal life as well.01:01:21.945 --> 01:01:23.237


I know people like that.01:01:23.237 --> 01:01:34.800


People ask me oftentimes how I do my own skincare routine or how I apply my own makeup, so that's where you can get it all in one Amazing Thank you, and we'll have all your links in the show notes.01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:36.865


So, yeah, thank you so much for being on.01:01:36.965 --> 01:01:38.157


Oh, my gosh, thank you for having me.01:01:38.157 --> 01:01:39.199


I had so much fun.01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:39.942


This was great.01:01:40.222 --> 01:01:43.797


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