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Welcome to Listen to your Skin by Moon and Skin, the podcast where science meets nature to celebrate the story of your skin.
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Your skin is a living canvas, ever evolving, deeply personal and uniquely yours.
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Each week, we'll dive into the science of healthy skin, share empowering stories and uncover transformative self-care rituals.
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We're here to help you embrace every phase of your journey with confidence and care.
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Hi everyone, welcome back to this week's episode of Listen to your Skin by Moon and Skin, and I'm your host, dr Jen Haley.
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And today I have on our favorite budget biohacker and kitchen queen, julie Gibson-Clark.
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You may have heard her on the last episode, which we just could go on for hours.
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We have so much to talk about, episode which we just could go on for hours.
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We have so much to talk about.
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But today I want to dive into more of the nutrition and your longevity kitchen and all of the things that you're up to.
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And, particularly after the last episode, I've been so perplexed because I don't know how your skin looks as amazing as it does because you don't use sunscreen.
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So give me a little bit of information on that.
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All the dermatologists out there.
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No, don't use sunscreen.
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So give me a little bit of information on that.
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All the dermatologists out there.
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No, don't say that.
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Well, you know, I've worked for 20 years as a board certified dermatologist and I'm used to looking at patterns and when people take their clothes off which, even though we're good friends, I haven't seen you with your clothes off yet, but you can see the well-demarcated areas of the skin that's been exposed to the elements of weather, sun, uv radiation.
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It's radiation and what kind of an impact it has on the skin.
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And I know you well.
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I see you without the lighting, I see you without the makeup and I know your skin actually looks really good, considering you were a swimmer in Southern California.
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Good, considering you were a swimmer in Southern California.
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And I have a theory about diet and that our nutrition determines how our skin responds to UV radiation.
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So I think that you are representing this.
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So tell me more about your history of the sun exposure.
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I know right, let's go over my sun exposure.
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I need to solve this clue.
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So I was a swimmer in Texas, houston, texas and you know well, both in California and Texas, and in swimming, we Texas and you know well, both in California and Texas, and in swimming, we're in the pool five hours a day, three to five hours a day, and, again, never use sunscreen, because I don't.
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I mean, I think there was the days of people putting zinc oxide on their nose or things like that, but it was always like, well, my sister has the fair skin and I have the olive skin and I don't need it.
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I mean, I, I can count on two hands the number of times I've had sunburns.
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I just don't really burn too.
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Um, so I just never really got into using it.
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And when I, when I did find, like you know, they came out with all these chemical sunscreens and I started using them and they, um, I wasn't anti-chemicals or anything, but they would give me these little painful white milia all over my skin.
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So I just got into the habit of like, no, I can't, like that's more painful than maybe like just getting out of the sun before the sun, the sunburn.
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But um, and I think you know you must get used to the sun when you're in it every day, like, like I said, swimming, I mean I would get Jen, like I would have these, um, striped bathing suits.
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You know that you would have like a stripe down the side, cause it was like your team suit and like where there were seams and where there was stripes.
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Like I had a, I would tan through my suit, like I, I just like soak up the sun and can turn quite um dark, very, very dark and um, so I don't know.
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I just never thought of using sunscreen and I know I hear you guys all the time about using it and I just, um, I lived in Dubai.
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I mean I'm a beach, that's my favorite place to be is the beach.
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So I mean obviously I would wear like hats and things like that, but, um, yeah, I just never was very careful about it.
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So I don't know.
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I mean, we talk about this a little bit.
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I'm sure it has to do with diet.
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I mean, like I didn't just start eating vegetables, like I love vegetables, since I was a baby, like my mom, you know, put veggies in the blender for me and that was like my baby food.
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And then, like in college, if I was super poor, I would eat a can of spinach and you know like I'd get a quart of milk, like that was my like weekly or whatever.
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You know, whatever I mean, I was yeah, that was my poor man's meal.
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That would be the first thing I would go for.
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So I don't, I don't know if the greens are really healthy for you.
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I don't know.
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I really I just don't know.
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But yeah, I think you know I always go back to nature, right?
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Because you know how I think.
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I think nature has all the solutions for everything.
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And the more we are in sync with nature and the more we harmonize with nature, nature the better we're going to be as humans.
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And I think about the concept of hormesis, right?
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So we understand hormesis, like what doesn't kill you, make you stronger.
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So, basically, like, if you try to move a car, you're going to break your back or pop a herniated disc or something.
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But if you go to the gym and lift weight, you'll get stronger.
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And plants do this when they're grown in challenging environments, where they're not given a bunch of pesticides and other things to support them.
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They get stronger by producing phytonutrients.
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And from our last episode which, if you haven't listened, you need to listen to this episode that I spoke with Julie about, because she talked about eating a pound of vegetables every day, which I'm still working on.
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I'm still working on it, but I'm getting.
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I'm moving in the right direction and that's all we could do is move in the right direction.
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And the plants produce these phytonutrients to actually protect themselves from UV radiation so they don't burn on the edges of like the leaves.
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So the leaves don't burn on the edges of like the leaves.
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So the leaves don't burn.
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So those colors that get imparted in the vegetables or in the krill that the salmon eat in the wild alaskan salmon, it protects them from the elements and I think when we eat it it must.
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It protects us and then and it makes building blocks in our cells and it incorporates into our cell membranes and protects us.
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And I've seen this for years where somebody will get a small amount of sun and get a lot of skin cancers and someone else will have a significant amount of sun where they look like I mean, rotisserie chicken skin compared to like raw skin and they're not getting skin cancers.
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And I think a lot of it has to do with our diet and what we're incorporating into our body.
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It has to be, it absolutely has to.
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I mean, I would even go to like the fats that we're eating too.
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I mean because that's so important for your skin.
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And if you're eating all those um and not to doubt, you know, pull anyone out.
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But like seed oils, and when you look at like how they're made and the hexane and all of the chemicals that go into that, I just can't imagine that would be good.
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You know, if your skin is going to suck that up, it's sucking up something that's probably not very healthy for you, versus like grass fed ghee or, you know, the olive oil or something that doesn't have all the junk in it.
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Seems like that would help your skin function a little bit more properly.
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I don't know.
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I mean I can tell you from my own experience, like I would throughout time, you know, experiment with like cleanses, like those used to be all the rage, like in my 30s, you know, do a cleanse, and again, I didn't want to go buy all the supplements.
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I was like I'll just go on like a veggie cleanse, you know, and I would just like eat vegetables for like three days and sure enough, within like probably by day three, like, your skin is just like whoa, like it's just glowing, you know, and it's just, it's like I'm sure that you're.
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I just always made up that it had something to do with all the fiber that I was eating, but I never really thought about all the plant compounds that were in there too, cause I, if I just took a fiber tablet every day, I would never get that kind of skin.
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So there's something to do with the like how those plants are working synergistically, for sure.
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I mean, I think there's just so much science we don't know, right, there's so much we don't know so.
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I agree.
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I think there's so much we don't know and we, you know, we pull these things out of our of nature that we think are vital in a supplement and that can benefit us as a supplement.
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But we also have to have a really good diet, because there's other things in these foods that we are not even aware that they're there well, what isn't it you were telling me about?
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like, was it polypodium poly?
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I can't remember the both of them, polypodium leucotomus it's from a fern extract.
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Okay, so ferns have been around since the dinosaurs, so they're like one of the longest plants that have been around probably in a different form than they are today, right, but ferns have been around forever.
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So polypodium leucotomus there's a lot of scientific literature on this.
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Now that it can increase the SPF of your skin to like a seven and seven actually is a pretty good SPF and I mean I think back to my 20s and 30s.
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I was using like the Avobenzones back then.
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I just remember the smell off my skin and I still got tan, even though I didn't get burnt and there was something very aversive to it, like there was for you that I don't like it on my body.
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It didn't feel innately.
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It was literally painful.
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I mean there would just be white bumps everywhere.
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It was awful, literally painful.
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I mean they would just be white bumps everywhere it was.
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It was awful.
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I was like, well, this doesn't, it's not worth it, I'll just wear a t-shirt or I'll just, you know, I mean, like I'm going to Hawaii next week, I'm going to wear, you know, like a coverup, you know, but I, yeah, and I'll wear sunscreen.
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Well, and I used to live in Hawaii, like when.
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I mean, I'm not averse to sun, I think the sun is our vital energy force, but the more we can work in harmony with it so we can get the benefits without the damage.
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There's always like the Goldilocks rule, and living in the gray zone and and doing just the right amount and not too much and not too little, is where we're going to have optimal health.
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And I feel like you've, unknowingly, have done this for a long part of your life by incorporating so many natural, healthy foods with high phytonutrients and rich foods.
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So can you dive in a little bit deeper onto, like how somebody can incorporate some of these foods in their life?
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Who wants to naturally protect themselves from this?
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and whether it's omega-3 fatty acids or yeah, well, I can talk from like a polyphenol, you know, plant perspective.
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I just started with like one dish a day and I found this great recipe for a greens latte.
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You guys can find it on my website, you know, and I it's not my recipe, it's's, but you know, like that was just a great way there.
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Boom, four ounces of greens every morning, done, done and dusted, you know.
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And then, and then it became like okay, during the day, can I get in another half a pound of veggies?
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And I just started, very, I had this little bowl and it was like, you know, the first few days is like oh, I love celery, okay, I'll have three pieces of celery.
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And I just did that every day for like I don't know a month, you know.
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And then it was like oh, what else looks pretty at the store?
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Oh, I like, I like radishes.
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Okay, I'm gonna put some radishes in there.
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You know, it was just like.
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And then now it's like, oh, what know?
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Cause that's what I can get at the store and that's what's growing.
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But I do try to use um, especially vegetables, um, especially when, like when I was living in Dubai, you know, we were getting like fruits and vegetables from all over the world and I used it as an opportunity, not only for myself but for my son, to like hey, let's explore the world.
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So, when you see something weird at the grocery store, especially if you have kids, like, hey, let's go home and look up, where is this from?
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What can we make from it?
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You know, like, use it as like a a way to take a vacation almost without having to take a vacation, cause that's some of the fun things about going on vacation, right Is the different foods.
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So, like you know, when you see these, like can't say it cherry, moy, I don't know, whatever you know like some weird, yeah thank you, yeah, yeah yeah, all these weird things.
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And when we were in Dubai I was like they had these mangosteens that I mean I wish I could get them here.
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It's like those things just explode in your mouth.
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You probably got those in Hawaii, I mean, oh my god, that was flavor, amazing, it was just amazing, you know.
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So I was so glad that we did this exploration and, I'm sure, eating all those different plants they all have different things, like you said, you know, to fight off UV radiation, but they're also fighting off bugs or fighting off so there's probably all kinds of compounds in there that I would hope my body is getting.
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But so, anyway, the whole point was so come up with something you can do first thing in the morning, and for me this was this greens latte.
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You know, if maybe you don't like something sweet, or you know, maybe it's just like greens with your eggs in the morning, or some some way to get like four ounces of greens first thing in the morning and maybe start with two ounces, but you know, and then build, and then after that, um you want to like, have a, um, you know, like a bowl of veggies that you're going to just slowly add to every single day, and if you don't want raw vegetables, then you know, or maybe you're totally new to eating vegetables then cook up a veggie soup on a Sunday and then you're just going to start, you know, by having a little bit every single day and a little bit more every like week or two weeks.
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You know, you'll know, and then and then at night, you're just going to add another four ounces of veggies and like, boom, done and dusted, it will fit inside the palm of my hand.
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It is nothing, it's like three or four bites, you're done.
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Four ounces of greens.
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Yeah, this is something I'm learning from you, because I have such an aversion to sitting there and chewing all day.
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Yeah, no.
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Just cook them.
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Just cook them, Right.
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You know what's interesting, though?
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Like with my kids, I got them to eat vegetables by calling it crudités.
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If I go, oh, yeah, crudité.
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But if I say, come eat some vegetables, they're like I'm not eating any vegetables.
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It's all the words we use, right?
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It's words.
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And so what I used to do is I would like chop all the veggies which I still do.
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I chop them all on a Sunday and I'd make this rainbow of veggies, like all over the kitchen and I would give my son these little containers and I'd say, here, fill.
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And he would walk in and go, you know, and like, and then he had filled the containers.
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So, like it was, it was a way to have, like that autonomy over his life.
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You know it was like, and so he and he just got in the habit of eating veggies every single day yeah, that's so great.
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Um, the other thing you mentioned having the green latte in the morning.
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So, for anyone who wants to increase the SPF of your skin naturally and there's some science beginning to get formed around this, I've known it for years because I observe people and do pattern recognition for a living you want to have these items in the morning before you go outside.
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So, like the polypodium, leucotomus, which is a dermatology friend of mine, created a supplement called inner glow vitamins and it has the polypodium in it along with a couple other things, and you take it about an hour, half hour to an hour before you go in the sun and then every two hours that you're in the sun, let me give you some before you go to hawaii.
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Okay, yeah, but um, so you in the morning, for sure, and then, obviously, for all the other reasons, it builds during the day.
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But you did mention fasting on the last episode.
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So can you dive into why you like fasting when people should consider, consider fasting and like, what are some of the benefits of fasting?
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Because you know I can't seem to get past the 24 hour mark.
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Yeah, and I get.
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I totally get that, and I think we do have to listen to our bodies.
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Maybe it's not for everybody, I don't, you know, I really don't know, but you do have to, like, listen to your body and know, like, when do you need to push past and when are you kind of for lack of a better way of saying this being mean to yourself.
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You know, like, when is it you're pushing past, but you shouldn't be pushing past.
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And I have to kind of go past that and then look back and go, yeah, maybe I shouldn't have gone that far, you know, Um, but I, like I've tried.
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I learned about fasting through a book called I think it's just called Fasting.
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It's by Jason Fung.
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He's like the you know big dude on fasting.
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He's got all kinds of great information and I again, I was just looking at it from a perspective of detoxification and I before that, had done all this very expensive chelation therapy you know was really involved and it was all about detoxing heavy metals, because I have a like genetic disposition to sort of hold on to toxins a little bit more and I have to always keep those detox channels open properly because the MTHFR gene I don't methylize, the B vitamins and then therefore, I don't detoxify anyway.
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So I was always looking for different ways to detoxify.
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When I heard about fasting, I was like, well, wait a minute, you mean it's free, it's free, all I have to do is like just drink water, like wait what, and my body will do all the work.
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That was fascinating to me.
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That was really fascinating, and at the time I was probably about 20 pounds heavier than I am now.
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So I wanted to lose a little weight.
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You know, I was like, okay, I'll give it a try.
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And the first time I did it I made it probably about 24 hours, you know, and then, like I think I waited a couple of weeks and then I tried to go a little bit more.
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It took me like a few months before I could get up.
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I think it was probably like six months before I could get up to about four days.
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And by day four it was like, okay, I'm done.
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You know, say no, get past day four, go five days.
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I just was like I knew by day four I was done.
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I knew I had gotten over the initial like shock of all of that.
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But there was something more going on.
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That it was.
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I knew I would be pushing it too far.
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So again, that's where you have to just you really have to learn how to listen to your body and know when you need to push yourself and when you need to.
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You know, it's kind of like I'm all about listening to your body and what it's craving, but if it's craving ice cream and cake and cookies, I'm not doing it.
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You know I'm not going to do it.
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But if it's craving like raspberries and spinach, I'm having it.
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Right, yeah, it's not so it's.
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We listen to our skin and we listen to our bodies, so if they're giving us clues as to what's going on and using I like the word that you used where you said being mean to yourself, because I think sometimes, especially as women, we tend to because we don't have necessarily physical power, and I think what we're going for here is wanting people to maneuver into a healthy lifestyle and to make smart choices without becoming obsessed with food in the form of orthorexia.
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Orthorexia, I've been there.
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Yeah, can you.
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I think a lot of us have, because it's easy to jump over the goalpost and go a little too far.
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So it's not even too far, like here's how orthorexia felt to me, so you learn about like oh.
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What is?
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it Explain what orthorexia is.
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Oh gosh, I don't know if I can say a scientific explanation, but I feel like it's just too rigidly sticking to different diet guidelines to the detriment of your own health.
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So I mean, I suppose anorexia is like, I guess is one form of, I suppose, orthorexia Maybe not, but it's like.
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So the way I experienced it was, um, like a first.
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It was, you know, get off all gluten and dairy, which was helpful for me at the time.
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But I thought, oh, I had to just do that the rest of my life.
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You know, I didn't realize like, oh, that was just that poor, you know, it was just healing for my gut for, you know, maybe a year or whatever.
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I needed it.
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But I kept continuing down that path.
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And then it was like, oh, now you know, oh, meat is so bad and look at what it's doing for the environment.
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And there's all this, like you know you can just go on and on about, you know, the CAFOs, confined animal feeding operations, you know which is like.
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So it's like, oh, I'll cut, I'll cut meat out Now I'm eating.
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You know veganism.
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And then it's like, oh, wait a minute, but there's like heavy metals in all those vegan protein powders.
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And then it's like, and before you know it, and then it was like I was trying to do the autoimmune protocol.
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I mean it, just all of a sudden you find you're down to like eating, you know rice.
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Then you're like, oh're not willing to make any trade-offs.
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That's almost what orthorexia is.
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It's like cause everything you eat is a trade-off.
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Right, it's like I could eat something that's a healthy fat, but it is a fat and it is full of calories.
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Well, you know like there's a trade-off.
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Like, I can eat, you know, healthy beef, protein comes from healthy animals, but I have to kill the animal.
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You know there's a trade-off.
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I could eat these veggies, but those veggies naturally like suck up heavy metals from the soil.
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So there's a trade-off.
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I mean, every single thing you eat is a trade-off.
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And I almost think of orthorexia as somebody who's like completely unwilling to make any trade-offs.
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And they're trying.
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It's like a form of.
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For me it's a form of perfectionism, not so much control, but just like a form of perfectionism.
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And that's when I realized, like when I saw my son kind of going through something similar and he was down to very low body fat and it was like, okay, you know, I gotta, I gotta stop this, we gotta, we gotta start eating food.
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Yeah, yeah, I think it's easy to go down that road once you start in the healthy nutrition space of orthorexia.
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So I mean, where do we find the balance?
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It seems to me from what you're discussing is the more diversity the better.
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Yes, so you're not opposed to eating meat.
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Where do you stand on meat?
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I love sorry, but I love it.
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And I.
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But I just feel like let's honor the animal and eat tip to tail as much as we can.
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I mean and this is from somebody who just refuses to eat liver, but like I will eat other things, you know, I will eat brains, I love the marrow, I love all those things.
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So let's give the animal a happy life, let's let them be out on pastures.
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You know that's's give.
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Let them be healthy and then we'll eat those.
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But I mean, I just, like you said, it's like if you just eat a little bit of everything, then you're not, you don't succumb to having the major problems.
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Yeah, that one thing would I used to joke that I would move every couple years so I would outdo the toxins in one environment and go to another place.
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And the same, I mean, holds true with what you're saying about food.
